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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by stomalomalus on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:27 pm

Did you see his ineffectual flap on Yarde in the lead up to Clifford's try? That's no one off.

Sarries have a superb defensive structure that smothers teams. But if my life depended on it, I would never ever pick Goode as a last man defender

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by quind on Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:42 pm

Safe to say I wouldn't put Goode in my EPS, and any observation of his form would have been wholly for the benefit of any Quins fans, on the off chance there are any around.

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by Dazza79 on Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:16 pm

I can see Goode being second choice behind Brown anyway

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Post by quind on Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:36 pm

I've no problem if Goode is second choice behind Brown who in turn is behind Foden with all of them being outside the EPS, but perhaps ready to get a call up in case of injury. And that actually isn't being funny.

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by quind on Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:15 pm

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by JamesTheShmoop on Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:25 pm

A few shocks in there, Hask at 7?!

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by Dazza79 on Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:33 pm

Yeah that was a shock to me as well

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by Dazza79 on Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:33 pm

That and Farrell 12

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by Wingnut on Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:04 pm

Farrell can't handle 12 in big games

I like James at 7
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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by JamesTheShmoop on Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:08 am

Hopefully he will have learnt a lot from Smith when it comes to the breakdown. Farrell at 12 will be interesting, Devoto may come on fairly early if the game isn't going to plan.

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Post by Dazza79 on Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:55 pm

Well a hard fought win for Eddie in his first game in charge.

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by quind on Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:40 pm

That was rubbish, in fairness they didn't try to be better than rubbish so perhaps it was job done. Watching them live just left one feeling spending money on having an ice cubes parachuted into the Sahara desert one by one until it's well irrigated would be a better use of the money.

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by JamesTheShmoop on Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:50 pm

I personally noticed a difference in defense, in attack its same old same old. He has only been there for a few weeks, I don't think we will see real improvements until this time next year.

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by quind on Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:03 pm

In defence they pushed up much more slowly, even Farrell managed not to run out of the line much. I suspect they're less happy blitzing with a front three of Ford, Farrell and JJ, and wanted to make sure Farrell was less likely to create a dog leg

So that changed since the WC, and the setpiece was more solid, but it was only Scotland.

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by holy_monkey on Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:16 am

I can't imagine Farrell up against Wales and Jamie Roberts (or any other team with big centres). If you want him in the squad, bite the bullet and pick him as flyhalf, otherwise go with Ford and Slade combo.

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by quind on Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:46 pm

Bit harsh on Slade, he's back doing some running and it would seem is starting to kick a ball, but a broken ankle is a big thing to come back from 6-8 weeks ahead of schedule just to play Wales. At a guess one of Ford or Farrell will drop out, likely Ford, and we'll see Devoto or maybe even Tuilagi in at 12 at some point in the 6N

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by Dazza79 on Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:47 pm

I would rather see Farrell dropped for an out and out centre like Daly or devato

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Post by holy_monkey on Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:35 pm

quind wrote:Bit harsh on Slade, he's back doing some running and it would seem is starting to kick a ball, but a broken ankle is a big thing to come back from 6-8 weeks ahead of schedule just to play Wales. At a guess one of Ford or Farrell will drop out, likely Ford, and we'll see Devoto or maybe even Tuilagi in at 12 at some point in the 6N
Yeah, that would be a good point... I was repeating my world cup rant obviously Wink

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by JamesTheShmoop on Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:56 pm

Well, 40 - 9 isn't too bad. itoje was immense when he came on

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Post by holy_monkey on Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:29 am

Yeah Itoje was immense once he came on. I was thinking he'd be man of the match if he'd had a little longer. Even with 25 minutes it was a tempting decision. No idea how Youngs got MotM...

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by Dazza79 on Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:48 am

Nor me, if anyone it would of been the Italian 13 or jj just for his tries. I want to see itoje from the start new game drop robshaw still not seeing anything from him.

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by quind on Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:11 pm

Itoje was a bit wobbly when he first come on, but very quickly got up to speed and was then one of the better players even. Got to admire a 21 year old who carries into a fully international lock and knocks the lock back in contact.

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by quind on Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:23 am

Well I think that was better, but there's still an awful lot going wrong. And the scrum was shocking, from the players and officials both, far too many resets, far too much time wasting, far too much guessing; case in point was this scrum in which Marler ended up on his elbow (and in fairness Marler did keep trying to drag the the thing down) and was pinged by the TJ, but really is this a picture that should put one in a mind to ping Marler





Main annoyances with England is not looking to run good scrum ball when we have it, not having Youngs and Vunipola act together in sensible fashion which sees Youngs running at a correctly numbered defence going left off the scrum, Youngs horror passes, the discipline (which oddly was being cocked up from our 12), and our inability to finish what should  be chances that get finished off.  So, another case in point;




That's just a terrific situation for the attack, the 9 fairly easily holds the forwards, Heaslip and Toner, and they're slow to be coming around as Ireland have withstood quite a few phases and it's late on in the 1st half. As Ford gets the ball he has the first of the backs coming onto him with Sexton betting the bank on targeting Brown. That should leave England with JJ, Vunipola and Watson to attack the covering back, Kearney, and Heaslip coming across with a lot of space to work in.

England do get the ball out to JJ as we see;



But having not kept enough depth Sexton is able to apply enough pressure onto Brown that he knocks it on in getting the ball to JJ.  It's poor from England, we hear over and over there's no space in the modern game, but in that play there was plenty of space and an inability to use it even with a big advantage to attack over defence.

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by mike-wizz on Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:44 pm

I think marler actually did quite well and if thats the scrum i think it was then the irish player went to his knee first. there is not allot illegal about his bind it shows he went long and pulled it back in much like the irish player.

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Re: England Under Eddie Jones

Post by quind on Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:09 pm

They'll both go up and down a little, but Ross has his feet far too far back, and the TJ or ref should be able to see that. Overall a very poor area of the game, and I shudder to think just how much of that match might have been resets of a restart that never resulted in the ball coming back into play.

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